Mountaineering Jacket

[Gruber]

Moving from climing to ice climbing to moutaineering: Whats the Marmot Liquid Steel and Arcteryx Sirrus Jackets like?
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Hi All,

I am trying to decide between the 2 jackets above - both are lightweight abrasion resistant, 3 layer XCR gore-tex. Does anyone know much about either jacket? How are they in blizzard/moutaineering/storming/wet conditions?

Are they all pretty much the same?
I've had mixed experience with goretex.

Thanks

Keep on Gruber

[brad nicholson]

i had the same mixed results with gore tex. the problem with gore tex is that it is a laminate. this means that the permeable layer will eventually dry crack and wear under and above the sandwhiching outer layers of the triple ply.

given this i have a lowe alpine alpine flash that is 7.5 years old. lowe uses triple point ceramic, it is their proprietary fabric and is not a laminate but actually the fabric itself is the waterproof breathable layer. i have washed it twice with nik wax tech wash to fully clean the fabric.i have used it for the following activities: hiking, backpacking, walking to class, sailing, cycling, mountaineering, rock climbing, skiing, football games, travelling, trekking, etc. Rain, Hail, Snow, Blizzard, etc. I HAVE NEVER BEEN LEAKED UPON. The mesh lining and pit zips do a really good job venting it as well. The storm skirt is good too. The only thing bad i have to say is that the inside pocket sucks.

[Gruber]

Thanks

I'll check it out. Unfortunately in oz the ranges are very limited.
some rubbish about not having real moutains gnn gnnn gnn.
Australia is pretty much a gore-tex marketers heaven. It rains rather than snows
in our peaks and ive noticed the GT leaks on seams at elbows down.

Does anyone have comments on Marmot hardwear?

[Frednz]

Hey,
You say you are from Aus? I don't know if they are still around, but I had a One Planet; an aussie jacket (mountaineering too!!) It was brilliant. Now I've got an Earth Sea Sky, which is very similar but a lighter fabric. I love them both. The OP is Goretex, and lasted around 5 years of heavy use (tramping and climbing in the Southern Alps, NZ). The ESS is way lighter, so I will use it more from now on. It's made out of Gelanouts. I reacon that as long as the maker is a decent company, the fabric won't make much difference. They have still stuck their name on it, so if their name has respect, the fabric must too.

By the way, its true isn't it? You don't have any mountains do you? Oh, wait. There is that one with the road to the top. I think they call part of it a "skifield" too!!

Originally Posted by Gruber

Moving from climing to ice climbing to moutaineering: Whats the Marmot Liquid Steel and Arcteryx Sirrus Jackets like?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi All,

I am trying to decide between the 2 jackets above - both are lightweight abrasion resistant, 3 layer XCR gore-tex. Does anyone know much about either jacket? How are they in blizzard/moutaineering/storming/wet conditions?

Are they all pretty much the same?
I've had mixed experience with goretex.

Thanks

Keep on Gruber