The backpacking trip you would never want to go on... gunshot wound 20 miles back...

[jdawg50]

yep, that's right I was 20 miles back in wind river wyoming, and had to be taken out by helicopter...

Here's my story

http://www.skiersboard.net/forums/showthread.php?t=518

[Vader]

So your buddy brings a gun in the woods that he apparently has no idea how to operate. Cracks off a couple rounds from a SELF FEEDING GAS EJECTION PISTOL drops the clip and hands it to you to try figure to figure out how to break down the slide???? The two of you are trying to dismantle a firearm in the woods and niether one of you has any idea to eject the round that HAS TO HAVE BEEN CHAMBERED FROM HIS SHOT!!!!

Then you rest the barrel on your thigh as you try to break it down????

This is almost too stupid to be true.

Darwin almost won that day.

[jdawg50]

Thanks Vader, nice post. In case you did not read the entire thread, I have accepted the fact that I made a mistake, but people like you are the reason this world has its problems. Next time, instead of being a jerk, Why don't you try taking a story or someones misfortune as a lesson, rather than being an ass.

[Vader]

I did not need to read your story to learn that lesson. I understood the awesome power of a firearm as a small child and would not have done something that stupid when I was eight years old. Would you rebuild the braking system on your car if you had absolutely no idea what you were doing and then go hurtling down the road at 90 mph to test it??? It would be a very similar mistake.

Two people playing with a gun and niether one pulls the slide to check for a chambered round. :confused: Experiences like yours are the reasons that firearms get a bad reputation from whiny liberals.

[jdawg50]

Great Vader, thanks you have enlighted us all. If you want to talk about things you learned when you were 8 yrs old, why dont you use the lesson you were probably taught when you were 8. If you dont have anything nice to say, then dont say anything at all. You're the one picking the fight not me. I admit it was something stupid I did, and yes I know I should have checked the chamber... do you need to rub it in and be a dick... the answer is no. I'm the one that had to live with a jacked up leg for 2+ years, and I don't think I need some jagoff like you spouting off your holyier than thou attitude. I'm sure you have never met anyone that made a mistake have you, and I bet you, yourself has never made a mistake huh? I bet you have never met anyone that had a firearm accident either???? Ya know what... your not even worth my time...Beat it

[Vader]

I'm sure you have never met anyone that made a mistake have you, and I bet you, yourself has never made a mistake huh?


In all honesty, you are the first person I have ever met that has done something that stupid and decided to post it in multiple forums for all the world to see....

Hence the Darwin reference :p

[GreatDivide14]

Might as well offend everyone in the name of democracy.

Vader's response was sort of ironic in light of post #9 <A HREF=http://forums.outdoorreview.com/showthread.php?t=841>here.</A> (Source material can be found <A HREF=http://forums.outdoorreview.com/showthread.php?t=833>here.</A>) I guess bashing the newbs is ok now.

I don't know squat about how a Glock works, but I've watched enough James Bond movies to know about that round in the chamber. I've done too many stupid things of my own to judge too harshly, but I can't help but notice that there are a lot of gun owners without proper respect for their toys. My hometown's beloved congressman John Hostettler stashed a 9mm Glock in his briefcase and tried to take it on a plane, having forgotten that he put it there. I've seen security camera footage of a robber and a convenience-store clerk shooting at each other from 15 feet, resulting in two empty clips and no injuries. I'm not sure if the alleged actual Darwin Award nominee who played Russian Roulette with an automatic was real, but I'd believe it. I'm glad things turned out ok for you, and I have enough faith in your intelligence to refrain from directing the obvious moral of the story at you. But, if anyone who reads this is thinking of buying a gun, please note: ACTUALLY, GUNS DO KILL PEOPLE, SOMETIMES WITHOUT THE HELP OF A CRIMINAL MIND. Trying to figure out how to fly a 747 while you're 20,000 feet up will have predictable consequences, and trying to guess your way through gun handling isn't any better. It's harder than it looks.

[Vader]

You don't have to get butt hurt over it. I am just pointing out what most of the adults in the world will be thinking when they read your stuff.

[jdawg50]

In all honesty, you are the first person I have ever met that has done something that stupid and decided to post it in multiple forums for all the world to see....

Hence the Darwin reference :p

Nice, you must be perfect huh? Its funny, I'm trying to be humble about this, and all you can do is act like a jerk. You give conservatives a bad name.

[Vader]

Might as well offend everyone in the name of democracy.

Vader's response was sort of ironic in light of post #9 <A HREF=http://forums.outdoorreview.com/showthread.php?t=841>here.</A> (Source material can be found <A HREF=http://forums.outdoorreview.com/showthread.php?t=833>here.</A>) I guess bashing the newbs is ok now.

I don't know squat about how a Glock works, but I've watched enough James Bond movies to know about that round in the chamber. I've done too many stupid things of my own to judge too harshly, but I can't help but notice that there are a lot of gun owners without proper respect for their toys. My hometown's beloved congressman John Hostettler stashed a 9mm Glock in his briefcase and tried to take it on a plane, having forgotten that he put it there. I've seen security camera footage of a robber and a convenience-store clerk shooting at each other from 15 feet, resulting in two empty clips and no injuries. I'm not sure if the alleged actual Darwin Award nominee who played Russian Roulette with an automatic was real, but I'd believe it. I'm glad things turned out ok for you, and I have enough faith in your intelligence to refrain from directing the obvious moral of the story at you. But, if anyone who reads this is thinking of buying a gun, please note: ACTUALLY, GUNS DO KILL PEOPLE, SOMETIMES WITHOUT THE HELP OF A CRIMINAL MIND. Trying to figure out how to fly a 747 while you're 20,000 feet up will have predictable consequences, and trying to guess your way through gun handling isn't any better. It's harder than it looks.

I don't consider a site admin from another forum a newb.

[Vader]

Nice, you must be perfect huh? Its funny, I'm trying to be humble about this, and all you can do is act like a jerk. You give conservatives a bad name.

I didn't say you weren't humble about this. I just pointed out you were stupid. See above quote for the reason why. Somebody here had to do it.

[jdawg50]

I didn't say you weren't humble about this. I just pointed out you were stupid. See above quote for the reason why. Somebody here had to do it.

Thanks, and now I am pointing out that you are an ass.

[Vader]

ACTUALLY, GUNS DO KILL PEOPLE, SOMETIMES WITHOUT THE HELP OF A CRIMINAL MIND.

But in those circumstances it is usually a feeble mind instead.

[brad nicholson]

that guns do indeed kill people without the help of criminals; there is enough senseless death to go around for sure.

that being said, this person obviously was not trained or exercising any caution. to use a firearm or any other tool without proper training, supervision or respect for what it can do is a recipe for disaster.

as an army officer i know a lot about firearms, heavy equipment, etc and people who use them irresponsibly without proper training or in a jocular manner.

thankfully this time he was able to be rescued. the next time he has such a lapse in judgement it could well end differently.

[Greyhound]

The Vader person is the ugliest person on the forum. I never see him sharing the outdoors help, he just insults and makes fun of the people asking for help or sharing their stories.
And what exactly have you done for the forum lately(ever)?

[walt walkabout]

Wow, what a story,jdawg! Glad it had a happy ending. Just goes to show what can happen when your tired,distracted,and not paying close attention to what's goin on. Been there,done that.
Which is the point of the story. Not that someone is/was dumb or stupid but that dumb stupid things can happen to the best of us at the worst time, and at any time, especially in the wild.
Man, I winced when I came to the part about the hot soup and laughed with you and the cherry Kool-Aid stains and how you must have looked. And then to have the chopper fly away! Yicks!
Anyways,glad your back in one piece and heathly and enjoying the outdoors again.
One question, after all this did you shoot the guy with the gun? I would have.:o) Now he's the idiot in this story.
Walt

[Greyhound]

Wow, you are definitly lucky that you didn't get your femoral artery with a fragment or something, that was really the difference between life and death. I am curious what your friend expected a .45 to do against any dangerous animals in that area of wilderness, sure wouldn't be very effective against bears and other large animals. Its a good thing they had a traction device for the leg, even if the bullet didnt get the artery, movement with the broken bone could have. So my question is, aside from paying closer attention to gun safety, has this motivated you to work on other wilderness safety? First aid and such?

[Vader]

The Vader person is the ugliest person on the forum. I never see him sharing the outdoors help, he just insults and makes fun of the people asking for help or sharing their stories.

http://forums.outdoorreview.com/showthread.php?t=703

[Vader]

best of us at the worst time,

That's a loose description.

[jdawg50]

I have been talking to the local DNR, and talking about being a guest speaker for the kids during thier hunter saftey courses. This is kinda my first step in dealing with the situation.

[KeithEA]

Some observations. A glock is blowback operated same a M3 A3 45 Cal. Tanker weapon (greasegun). (Carried one when on point in Viet Nam. Slow firing brush cutter. You could drop one in wet cement, wipe it off and it would still shoot. Only one machined part. The rest were stamped). Granted a 45 glock is not a bear gun but it will kill a bear. eg. Rangers killed two bears that had attacked and consumed parts of a women in the Great Smokey Mountain National Park a few years back with there service weapons. 45 cal glock. A 6 and one half pound winchester 30 30 is more powerful than a 44 mag. A 44 mag is not the big daddy any more. S and W has come out with a 50 cal. If some one is just starting out with a hand gun and they have NO experience, they should start with a revolver. It is much safer. Also for home security a revolver is much safer than a auto. An auto has a 3 or 4 lb trigger pull where as a revolver trigger pull is much more. Even a little one can pull the trigger on a glock. A revolver is much safer for a woman to use. (although I do know of some lady's on this forum that carry auto and know how to use them) Actually a 410 shot gun is the best for home security. It will not shoot thru two layers of sheet rock. I do and always "carry" when in the back country. Mostly for trail head toads or what ever you want to call trash that hang out there and try to steal what you have worked hard to buy. In Black Bear country I usually carry a 38 S and W chiefs special. Air weight. Aluminum frame. About 15 oz. Revolver. When in Grizz country I carry a 44 S and W mag. Scandium frame. About 26 oz. (thats right). BUT it is loaded with a 305 gr. corbon penetrator round. Revolver. Last summer I took a firearms safety course. Not because I don't know gun safety but because I wanted to brush up and refresh myself on gun safety. Some times we become complacent about safety and learn bad habits that become part of our routine. One final thing. I don't care how much knowledge you have, how safe you are, how well trained you are, how smart or how dumb you are, SHEET happens. Keith

[walt walkabout]

Yep, sure is. But it is an accurate one.
Walt

[Snow Nymph]

Glad you're ok, can't imagine the pain you went thru. Thanks for posting your story.

[Greyhound]

I have been talking to the local DNR, and talking about being a guest speaker for the kids during thier hunter saftey courses. This is kinda my first step in dealing with the situation.
I was actually wondering if this has prompted you to do things to take care of yourself in the wilderness, I just went through firstaid cpr and wilderness firstaid certification for all the what ifs, and your story is a big what if. While I trust its not something you plan to repeat, its got to get you thinking about the things that could have gone wrong after the shot, dealing with rescue, bleeding etc.

[jdawg50]

thanks guys!

[Vader]

I have been talking to the local DNR, and talking about being a guest speaker for the kids during thier hunter saftey courses. This is kinda my first step in dealing with the situation.

My guess would be that anyone with the foresight to enroll iin a hunters safety course already has a tremendous amount more respect and understanding of firearms than you do... no matter their age.

You are doing them a disservice.

[jdawg50]

HA, you really are an unhappy person arnt you?

My guess would be that anyone with the foresight to enroll iin a hunters safety course already has a tremendous amount more respect and understanding of firearms than you do... no matter their age.

You are doing them a disservice.

[jdawg50]

http://www.ogrish.com/archives/cop_accidently_shoots_himself_in_foot_during_safet y_lecture_Mar_09_2005.html

This is a glock

[rzozaya1969]

I think this is a good post. Maybe what happened to him was obious to somebody, but no everybody thinks the same. Accidents do happen, and not just the hard to see, but sometimes obvious.

I don't carry a gun because:

1. I don't have one.
2. I don't have a gun permit
3. I don't KNOW how to use one

In knowing the use of a gun, well, I know you have to pull the trigger to fire it, and maybe that a gun may have a chambered round. I could find out some other stuff. But it's not just the technical stuff you need to be aware of, but for all the safety measures you need to take to make it safe (to carry and to use it).

[DefJef]

Will you bittches stop yapping and get back to discussing the outdoors?